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Post by Oneiros on Aug 18, 2016 6:59:31 GMT
Wow.
Where to start unpicking this... as we finally get a statement from Jane herself and I'm not sure that answered many of the pressing questions we had. We should probably give Mr Sims credit for being more empathetic than we might have originally thought even if he acknowledges this by saying he's taken leave of his academic detachment for a moment - this is particularly appreciated given that there is a strange writer/narrator dynamic at work in the way TMA is presented, which generates a kind of cognitive dissonance when the analyst has to also bring an emotive impact to what we're hearing.
As for the details, we have some a good glimpse at Jane's mental state and at least one possible reason for the hive's hatred of the Institute - even if it doesn't quite make sense to me. And we're also presented with the disparity in approaches between Ms Robinson and Mr Sims with regards to the weight given to statements - though, again, we don't know whether Gertrude even read them.
Plus we get some interesting back references/recurring motifs - Jane refers to the Institute as something that sees/eyes, fire in connection with Hive activities (going back to MAG #6 - Squirm) and do I spy a certain statement giver from MAG #11 in the background...
So, anything else we can discern from Jane's 'threats'? What thoughts on reasoning? Any other references I might have missed, keen-eared listeners?
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Post by cannonlongshot on Aug 18, 2016 8:10:17 GMT
"one of those fools obsessed with fractals"
... what does she KNOW?!
Also, where was Blake mentioned? I think I'll have to listen to it again ASAP...
2nd listen EDIT: So who's this Oliver chap? Do we think the landlord was worm'd when he died? Didn't catch Antonio Blake even on a second listen.
Listening of other Prentiss episodes EDIT: To give a rough timeline,
Unknown Time: Prentiss becomes... well, what she becomes.
23 Feb. 2014: Statement of MAG 32: Hive is taken
Unknown Time: Events described in the epilogue of MAG 32: Hive occur (including Prentiss' hospitalization)
18-20 Nov. 2014: The events of MAG 6: Squirm occur
9 Dec. 2014: Statement of MAG 6: Squirm is taken
Early 2015: Carlos Vittery is haunted by a spider he encountered in his childhood.
9th Apr. 2015: Statement of MAG 16: Arachnophobia is taken
Unknown Time ("shortly after" 9th Apr.): Carlos Vittery is found, dead, and covered in web.
Early March 2016: Martin Blackwood investigates the flat of Carlos Vittery. (N.B. MAG 22 states that it takes place in February, whereas the wiki states it takes place in March)
12th Mar. 2016: Statement of MAG 22: Colony is taken. Prentiss' siege of the Institute begins.
1st Apr 2016: Sasha James finds the remains of Carlos Vittery with the help of "Michael"
2nd Apr. 2016: Statement of MAG 26: A Distortion is taken.
Also, after looking at this and noticing that Episodes 6, 16, 22, 26 and 32 all feature Prentiss, we are forced to conclude that MAG 2: Do Not Open and MAG 12: First Aid are also linked in some way (This is the first evidence linking Prentiss to both the Keays and Breekon and Hope!). I'm pretty certain I've solved it, guys: the next episode with Prentiss will be MAG 36, airing on 15/9/16.
Now where's my tinfoil hat to protect me from the bugs?
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Post by Alex Newall on Aug 18, 2016 8:23:49 GMT
Thought you'd all be interested/frustrated by this one in equal measure.  |
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Post by Oneiros on Aug 18, 2016 9:07:27 GMT
"one of those fools obsessed with fractals" ... what does she KNOW?! Also, where was Blake mentioned? I think I'll have to listen to it again ASAP... 2nd listen EDIT: So who's this Oliver chap? Do we think the landlord was worm'd when he died? Oh, yeah, forgot about the fractals reference - but I think that's just a knowing nod. I doubt there's any kind of connection between this and Ivo Lensik's father. Re: "this Oliver chap" - I'm almost certain this is 'Antonio Blake', as we're told in MAG #11 that he gave a false name and address but his statement says that he moved to working in a New Age shop about a year ago which marries up with the time frames of the statements (early 2014 here and Nov 2015 for MAG #11). It would also account for the way he looks at Jane, as if he's seeing things around her. |
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Post by cannonlongshot on Aug 18, 2016 9:13:50 GMT
Oh, yeah, forgot about the fractals reference - but I think that's just a knowing nod. I doubt there's any kind of connection between this and Ivo Lensik's father. Re: "this Oliver chap" - I'm almost certain this is 'Antonio Blake', as we're told in MAG #11 that he gave a false name and address but his statement says that he moved to working in a New Age shop about a year ago which marries up with the time frames of the statements (early 2014 here and Nov 2015 for MAG #11). It would also account for the way he looks at Jane, as if he's seeing things around her. Ohhh, that makes sense! I think his thing was only dreaming, so he probably was remembering seeing her during the night. The Institute needs to find this man, he seems to be linked to both the People's Church of the Divine Host and Prentiss. Also, re: fractals... Maybe that's just what they want you to think? ;P |
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Post by Samwise on Aug 18, 2016 9:18:17 GMT
So interesting... confusing as hell but interesting.
so she calls it the hive, apparently "its not a god, if it is then its a dead god" so I'm thinking demon of some sort?
what ever this hive is it hates the Institute, because "you see it and log it and note its every detail...never understand it...rob it of its fear"
so this thing doesn't like that people are learning about it, and that they are observing it with an analytical and scholarly brain. I imagine I would too if I'm some sort of ancient force having people poke science and academia in my face.
have no clue who this Oliver person is, by my recollection we haven't had someone called Oliver on TMA yet.
and as for the connection with MAG 11 I honestly don't see it, I might be missing something obvious.
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Post by Samwise on Aug 18, 2016 9:21:37 GMT
oh that makes sense about Oliver/Blake! great catch!
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Post by Jonny on Aug 18, 2016 9:29:48 GMT
Also, after looking at this and noticing that Episodes 6, 16, 22, 26 and 32 all feature Prentiss, we are forced to conclude that MAG 2: Do Not Open and MAG 12: First Aid are also linked in some way (This is the first evidence linking Prentiss to both the Keays and Breekon and Hope!). I'm pretty certain I've solved it, guys: the next episode with Prentiss will be MAG 36, airing on 15/9/16. Now where's my tinfoil hat to protect me from the bugs? Trust me, the bugs understand that humans normally use tin-foil to wrap up food... In seriousness, though, I will state explicitly that the ordering/numbering of episodes is not, and will not in future be, directly connected to any of the actual story. Case numbers? Maybe. But the actual order episodes are released is just in chronological order of their recording in universe (and usually out of universe). While you're right there is a certain regularity to episodes directly addressing Jane Prentiss, this is a case of trying to give the Season 1 plot appropriate dramatic pacing, rather than any grander meta-conspiracy. |
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Post by cannonlongshot on Aug 18, 2016 9:38:41 GMT
In seriousness, though, I will state explicitly that the ordering/numbering of episodes is not, and will not in future be, directly connected to any of the actual story. Case numbers? Maybe. But the actual order episodes are released is just in chronological order of their recording in universe (and usually out of universe). While you're right there is a certain regularity to episodes directly addressing Jane Prentiss, this is a case of trying to give the Season 1 plot appropriate dramatic pacing, rather than any grander meta-conspiracy. I suspected as much, but it certainly surprised me how regular they are, and also how many there are. Off the top of my head, I would only name Squirm and Colony (and now Hive), so it's weird to think she's been there just... lurking in the background for so long, appearing with the regularity of insects crawling from their hiding places. |
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Post by spooniermist on Aug 18, 2016 12:40:47 GMT
I'm not sure why, but Oliver reminded me of Michael that Sasha met. Something about that aloft persona, maybe.
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Post by cannonlongshot on Aug 19, 2016 9:51:24 GMT
I'm not sure why, but Oliver reminded me of Michael that Sasha met. Something about that aloft persona, maybe. You know, he reminded me of Michael as well! I couldn't tell you why, either :S I think maybe it's the strange emotions he was described as showing? |
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Post by Kate on Aug 19, 2016 14:44:20 GMT
Old man's got his mojo back. A sound episode, and genuinely unsettling. Nice one.
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Post by seelingkat on Aug 24, 2016 20:28:41 GMT
well if wasn't Trypophobic before the Magnus Archive, I might have to start....
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Post by Alex Newall on Aug 24, 2016 21:46:53 GMT
I only found out fairly recently that I have mild tryptophobia. Very peculiar. No bad experiences but I can't go near it. It's viscerally repellent to me.
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Post by seelingkat on Aug 25, 2016 3:09:40 GMT
I don't mind holes, but the ones PhotoShopped onto bodies weird me out... especially holes with things IN them *shiver* I can look at them, but my face will match my avatar!
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