Elias's allegiances (Spoilers Episode 80 - The Librarian)

[urchin]

Theory: Elias isn't working for Beholding.

Maybe this is obvious to everyone already and I'm just catching up, but it’s been bugging me why Elias would want Gertrude Robinson or Jeurgen Leitner dead if he's working for Beholding.

I'm part-way through a re-listen, so I'm probably missing some key facts, but something stood out in Growing Dark that didn’t the first time through. The archivist notes at the end of that episode that screams were heard in the Hither Green Dissenters Chapel on May 15, 2015, the day that Gertrude died. Initially, this seemed like a clue that the Peoples' Church of the Divine Hope was in some way responsible for her death, but now we know that Elias was Gertrud's killer.

Could Elias be connected to the Peoples' Church of the Divine Hope in some way? Could he be the reason they seem still to be active even after Maxwell Raynor allegedly left? Could Elias be an infiltrator in Beholding's archives, rather than a servant of them?

Is evidence to contradict these possibilities or more to support them?

[cannonlongshot]

Well, we know that Elias has "changed" a lot since his uni days... though since we don't know if this could be caused by Beholding or "Mr. Pitch", I'm not sure that that helps!

[urchin]

Dec 5, 2017 11:42:26 GMT cannonlongshot said:

Well, we know that Elias has "changed" a lot since his uni days... though since we don't know if this could be caused by Beholding or "Mr. Pitch", I'm not sure that that helps!

Hmm, that's almost certainly evidence that he's not just working for himself, though inconclusive otherwise.

Do you have recorded anywhere your master list of the beings and what you're calling them? I confuse all the different aliases sometimes.

[cannonlongshot]

Dec 5, 2017 19:29:39 GMT urchin said:

Dec 5, 2017 11:42:26 GMT cannonlongshot said:

Well, we know that Elias has "changed" a lot since his uni days... though since we don't know if this could be caused by Beholding or "Mr. Pitch", I'm not sure that that helps!

Hmm, that's almost certainly evidence that he's not just working for himself, though inconclusive otherwise.

Do you have recorded anywhere your master list of the beings and what you're calling them? I confuse all the different aliases sometimes.

I don't.. for the most part I go with Beholding, Esmentiaras, The Lightless Flame, The Hive and Mr. Pitch. Others I describe as appropriate.

[urchin]

Dec 7, 2017 11:15:18 GMT cannonlongshot said:

Dec 5, 2017 19:29:39 GMT urchin said:

Hmm, that's almost certainly evidence that he's not just working for himself, though inconclusive otherwise.

Do you have recorded anywhere your master list of the beings and what you're calling them? I confuse all the different aliases sometimes.

I don't.. for the most part I go with Beholding, Esmentiaras, The Lightless Flame, The Hive and Mr. Pitch. Others I describe as appropriate.

Do you think Butchery/Slaughter is one of them?  Meat keeps coming up, and there was the weird graffiti in Skintight: Silk will not stitch the butcher's meat.

What about the anglerfish and the not-people?  Related to the greater beings or just lesser monsters?