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Post by Oneiros on Mar 29, 2018 8:08:34 GMT
OR: "Down to earth"
An unexpected appearance from Gertrude as the American focus shifts from Washington to Oklahoma, and whilst we still ignoring the pit, we can't overlook the powers of earth looking to reclaim everything. To subsume, to encrust... to entomb. Welcome to the world of Choke, the Buried. Some lovely description here of rural 'Dust Bowl' America, the hardscrabble living difficult enough without an eldritch power looking to affect things. Plus we get to hear from one of Gertrude's assistants. Such a likable lad; maybe a bit like Martin? I wonder what happened to this guy...?  Go Georgie! Trying to get the Archivist to talk to people seems like an uphill struggle but you keep at it - I wonder if there's something about being the Archivist that leads them to internalising the danger, wanting to keep it away from others, secret knowledge between them and the Beholding? And I guess it's probably not that surprising, given the focus of recent statements, that Breekon and Hope finally make an appearance. Looks like they've got a new delivery to make.
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Post by liraven on Mar 30, 2018 2:53:14 GMT
Always enjoyable to hear a statement from Gertrude!  Some lovely description here of rural 'Dust Bowl' America, the hardscrabble living difficult enough without an eldritch power looking to affect things. Lovely and terrifying. Especially when the initial recording ended and Jon tried to speak but it sounded like he could barely breathe. I was worried for a moment he'd ended up with actual dust in his lungs somehow. Incidentally, I didn't know about dust pneumonia or that Boise City, Oklahoma is pronounced differently than Boise, Idaho. Learn something new every podcast I guess. Bit heartbreaking to know Michael used to be Gertrude's assistant. It's impossible to hear that laugh without imagining the post-Spiral's creepy echoing version. He sounded so earnest and eager-to-please and yes, very much like Martin.  Please don't be foreshadowing, please don't be foreshadowing... Ah, that's an interesting thought. They're the hoarders of the supernatural world? Maybe Gertrude would have fared better if she'd trusted her staff more. Though I suppose we don't fully know everything that happened yet. Hopefully Daisy's kept an eye on Jon and saw what happened because the Archivist needs another rescue. I wish Jon paid a little more attention to his surroundings. Didn't his grandmother teach him not to talk to Strangers?  (And this is why respectable people like hyoscyamus or @justsomebodysmom should respond first, to keep the bad puns from getting out of control. Help!) |
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Post by hyoscyamus on Mar 30, 2018 10:16:12 GMT
Plus we get to hear from one of Gertrude's assistants. Such a likable lad; maybe a bit like Martin? I wonder what happened to this guy...? Go Georgie! Trying to get the Archivist to talk to people seems like an uphill struggle but you keep at it - I wonder if there's something about being the Archivist that leads them to internalising the danger, wanting to keep it away from others, secret knowledge between them and the Beholding? And I guess it's probably not that surprising, given the focus of recent statements, that Breekon and Hope finally make an appearance. Looks like they've got a new delivery to make. Commented on reddit already, but will rephrase it a bit, because these are very interesting points. But first, a n excellent performance by the VAs again, a really thrilling episode all around! Always nice to hear Sue Sims, she's awesome. And Luke Booys was a really great choice for Michael, he gets the tone of this character so well.Interesting that Elias sends so relatively many statements regarding the earth-power in short succession. Very nice to have names for it too. I wonder whether this has to do with the fight against the Unknowing or whether this statement was send because Jon was supposed to know more about who and what Michael is and once was. Michael sounded a bit like Martin, yes, nice and eager to please the Archivist, with humour that doesn't click with her. Maybe that was just my imagination, but Gertrude's tone was rather dismissive when she spoke to him, much like Jon always spoke to Martin at the beginning. #85 Upon The Stair was approximately 1990-2000, so the statement back then wasn't given by Michael. But I think this is exactly what happened to him later and he is the current Man On The Stairs. Does he resent the Archive-lot because they failed him or because of how they treated him while he was still one of them? Or both? In any case, a good reason why Jon should take Georgie's advice to get along better with the others. What a mean cliffhanger! How is Jon supposed to get away now? Easiest thing would be for Elias to make an effort to know and actually send help, but I wouldn't count on that to happen.  I do hope you won't torment us for six weeks with an even worse cliffhanger... °___° Bit heartbreaking to know Michael used to be Gertrude's assistant. It's impossible to hear that laugh without imagining the post-Spiral's creepy echoing version. He sounded so earnest and eager-to-please and yes, very much like Martin. Please don't be foreshadowing, please don't be foreshadowing... Heartbreaking, but so exciting too! Agree on the foreshadowing, that would be a bummer. But...horror podcast and all...wouldn't be too surprised if one of them ended up in the grasps of another power. >___< I wonder if there's something about being the Archivist that leads them to internalising the danger, wanting to keep it away from others, secret knowledge between them and the Beholding? Ah, that's an interesting thought. They're the hoarders of the supernatural world? Maybe Gertrude would have fared better if she'd trusted her staff more. Though I suppose we don't fully know everything that happened yet. Hehe, that's a fitting description.  We still don't know that much about Gertrude's character, but Elias said she at least knew that the assistants (and everyone else) are to be viewed as disposable. She was the Archivist for so long, there must have been a whole lot of assistants over the years. Maybe she didn't bother telling them all that much anymore, because she thought they wouldn't make it in the end anyway. Maybe she didn't want to frighten them before the shit hit the fan for them or she was tired of investing feelings of comradeship only to see them die horribly (or learn that they did). Leitner said she was lonely, that would fit. But ultimately, not confiding in her assistants more might have been the reason for their deaths. Knowledge is always a better protection than ignorance. Well, at least normally. Our Archivist does need to learn quite a bit about protecting himself! XD *snerk* Good one! XD Respectable people...*looks at own bad jokes and the string of gifs*...aha-ha...ha...yeah. *tries to look and whistle innocently and fails miserably at both* |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 11:20:16 GMT
"Respectable"? As a person intrigued by Michael Crew from the get-go I'm glad to gain understanding in how he knew to hunt for Leitners to rid himself of the Spiral. Did he encounter the spiral in the basement of the archive like John did? Agree with all on the congenial Martin like personality of Michael which breaks the heart a little more. Do not have a clue how this dust ties to Ian Kilbride. |
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Post by hyoscyamus on Mar 31, 2018 13:28:20 GMT
As a person intrigued by Michael Crew from the get-go I'm glad to gain understanding in how he knew to hunt for Leitners to rid himself of the Spiral. Did he encounter the spiral in the basement of the archive like John did? Agree with all on the congenial Martin like personality of Michael which breaks the heart a little more. Do not have a clue how this dust ties to Ian Kilbride. Yes, everything about Crew was very intriguing, especially learning how very early on he lost his 'humanity'! If I remember correctly Leitner said one of his own assistants called Michael Es Mentiras. That would mean he knew of him at least from hearsay before his library was destroyed and before he met Gertrude. So Gertrude never told him who Michael was before. Either she wasn't particularly forthcoming with information in general or maybe she felt guilty about how Michael became what he is? I'm very curious to know more about this! Ian Kilbride was one of three people conducting experiments on the Daedalus Space Station in #57 Personal Space. According to the Wiki: The station was launched in 2007 by The Stratosphere Group, a conglomerate including Pinnacle Aerospace, mostly owned by the Fairchild family; a private investment by Nathaniel Lucas; Optic Solutions Ltd, who provided the cameras and are based in Ny Alesund, Norway. The collaboration between these groups is really interesting. The Fairchild family seems to be tied to the Vast, the Lucas family to Isolation. Now Optic Solutions Ltd could either be part of the Darkness/Mr. Pitch and Raynor due to it's seat in Ny-Alesund. If this is true, then it's an interesting contradiction that Optic Solutions Ltd produces cameras. Also the Lucas family is one of the investors for the Archives and the Darkness seems more enemies to Beholding than anything else. Second, and more fitting, possibility is that Optic Solutions Ltd is part of Beholding and this would mean the Vast and Isolation are at least friendly, if not allied, with Beholding. Jude Perry said about Crew that he was closer to the Archive-lot anyway, which would make sense if the Vast is an ally/friendly party. Would also explain why he spared Jon instead of just making him fodder when he was already so close. If the latter possibility is true there most likely will be an attack on Beholding's post in Ny-Alesund soon. The People's Church of the Divine Host were headed there after all. In #57 Personal Space Carter Chilcott was more tormented by Isolation than the other powers, I think. Could be that the other two were more influenced by the others. Maybe Ian Kilbride was influenced by the Vast? The Vast seems contradictory to what the Buried does. But why did Gertrude want someone tormented by this power to stop the Buried? How would it have worked to thwart this? *sound of Eureka!-moment* Aaaah, the crying guy beside the woman in the car from #97 We all ignore the Pit! Gertrude and Ian Kilbride! Too late or unsuccessful, but still No wonder the guy was crying then. |
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Post by liraven on Mar 31, 2018 18:40:59 GMT
Interesting that Elias sends so relatively many statements regarding the earth-power in short succession. Very nice to have names for it too. I wonder whether this has to do with the fight against the Unknowing... Seems like they must be relevant to the Unknowing somehow. The Stranger allied with Lightless Flame at some point, maybe Buried are their allies now? It surprised me Elias said Michael resented them. Spiral-Michael acts unpredictably, but he's aided the Institute folks on more than one occasion. Not!Sasha nearly cornered Jon in artifact storage before Michael gave him a door. Seems like he's more motivated by entertainment than anything else, whatever prolongs the game between powers. Hopefully he'll pop up soon because Jon could really use a way out of that van. As a person intrigued by Michael Crew from the get-go I'm glad to gain understanding in how he knew to hunt for Leitners to rid himself of the Spiral. Did he encounter the spiral in the basement of the archive like John did? Mag 91 mentions Crew found The Journal of a Plague Year when he was seventeen, but not where he got it from. So I'm not sure if he knew about the Leitner books already or just stumbled upon that one by accident. He's an interesting character for sure. It's hard not to feel sympathy for him, struck by lightning as a child and tormented by the Spiral all those years. Only to become a monster casually feeding folks to the Vast, like that guy in Paris. Yikes. Aaaah, the crying guy beside the woman in the car from #97 We all ignore the Pit! Gertrude and Ian Kilbride! Too late or unsuccessful, but still No wonder the guy was crying then. The Kilbride stuff is a little over my head. Is he with Vast or Buried? It does seem like Gertrude (and the crying young man?) had a hand in the earthquake at the end of 97. Respectable people...*looks at own bad jokes and the string of gifs*...aha-ha...ha...yeah. *tries to look and whistle innocently and fails miserably at both* "Respectable"? Yes, respectable! |
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Post by amethystend on Mar 31, 2018 22:54:20 GMT
I've been away awhile. Dropped something like 350 hours into Monster Hunter World, and Magnus isn't a podcast I want to passively listen to, so I fell way behind. When I listen to Magnus it has to have my full attention, so I've just now caught up, marathoning the last 10 episodes. Holy hell a lot has happened.
I don't even know where to begin, but "Nothing Beside Remains" in particular was such an outstanding episode I had chills.
And then Gertrude was back for this episode, with the badass line "But there's ten years yet, before I can afford a conscience."
One more episode until the 6 week break. It's going to be torture.
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Post by hyoscyamus on Apr 2, 2018 18:15:56 GMT
Seems like they must be relevant to the Unknowing somehow. The Stranger allied with Lightless Flame at some point, maybe Buried are their allies now? Either that, or it's time to again to go against the Buried/Choke as well. He seems a bit like a cat who plays with the mice he later wants to eat. That's one way of prolonging the torment for them. But seeing how he was part of team Beholding once, he probably has ample reason for resentment. Yeah.... *please no six week cliffhanger please no six week cliffhanger* >___< He might have had a run in with the Vast. In #57 Personal Space three people were on the Daedalus Space Station, Carter Chilcott (the statement giver); Manuella Dominguez and Ian Kilbride. The station was build by a consortium who's owners belong to three different powers, the Vast; Isolation and Beholding(?). Carter Chilcott's experience seems to be about Isolation, so I assume the other two have been haunted on there by the other two powers, Manuella Dominguez by Beholding and Ian Kilbride by the Vast. I just wonder how having a run in with the Vast, or maybe even being marked by it, would help stopping the massive attack of the Buried? Maybe a power can't fully spread it's influence if a person from an opposing force is in the vicinity? Then Gertrude might have been able to get the people out of the area, away from the Pit, before it could swallow everything by bringing Ian Kilbride over there. But it obviously failed, so either they were too late or her plan wasn't working in the first place? Or maybe she wanted to feed him to the Pit and the influence of the Vast, as opposite of Buried, would have caused 'stomach ache' enough to get everyone out? No conscience allowed and all that? |
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Post by liraven on Apr 3, 2018 16:18:09 GMT
I've been away awhile... I don't even know where to begin, but "Nothing Beside Remains" in particular was such an outstanding episode I had chills.... One more episode until the 6 week break. It's going to be torture. Welcome back! "Nothing Beside Remains" is one of my favorite episodes this season too. Really excellent tension. As for the six week break, I wholeheartedly agree about the torture part. I didn't get into Magnus until the past year so cliffhangers were never a problem, just jumped straight to the next episode. No such luxury this time. He might have had a run in with the Vast... Or maybe she wanted to feed him to the Pit and the influence of the Vast, as opposite of Buried, would have caused 'stomach ache' enough to get everyone out? No conscience allowed and all that? Ah okay, I see what you're saying about the Daedalus experiments now, that's very interesting! I hope Gertrude didn't feed him to that Pit. He was described as a 'young man' right? Even if she said that stuff about not affording a conscience, surely there are limits. Remember back when Gertrude seemed like a disorganized, but surely benign, old lady? The farther we go, the scarier she and Elias become. No wonder Jon's so freaked out about turning into a monster. It feels inevitable at this point. |
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Post by hyoscyamus on Apr 4, 2018 1:17:59 GMT
Ah okay, I see what you're saying about the Daedalus experiments now, that's very interesting! Yeah, after thinking so hard about it I noticed someone in the reddit thread had already made this connection way earlier. So much for my reading and comprehension skills. *double-facepalm* Ahaha, yeah, those limits seem quite far away after all that we heard. True that! I like it, but he really has every reason to be scared about this. I'm really curious what Jon will become later! |
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Post by amethystend on Apr 4, 2018 4:25:08 GMT
Welcome back! "Nothing Beside Remains" is one of my favorite episodes this season too. Really excellent tension. As for the six week break, I wholeheartedly agree about the torture part. I didn't get into Magnus until the past year so cliffhangers were never a problem, just jumped straight to the next episode. No such luxury this time. Yeah, I first discovered Magnus back in July and I marathoned all that was out in a couple of days. It was bliss. |
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Post by EyesOfATragedy on Apr 18, 2018 19:22:57 GMT
Can I please just say that, as an Oklahoman, I was SUPER impressed that Boise City was pronounced correctly? There are people in Oklahoma that don't even know how to pronounce it. So bravo to the hardcore research that is done for The Magnus Archives! |
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