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Post by Brave Sir Robin on Jun 6, 2018 16:31:58 GMT
There's more than one moment throughout the show where we have skirted the edges of what happened. It's awesome that it adds something to relistens. I should do a relisten myself at some point soon.
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Post by medea on Jun 6, 2018 18:51:18 GMT
Plus the revelations and self-castigation of Howard Carter provide some lighter highlight to the woes going around, until a someone happens to realise that plot is afoot I'm still a bit surprised Erin Fairhands (?) was actually useful for something! Hey! Eren Fairhands is the BEST HEALER IN THE UNIVERSE Azu probably has a poster of him over her bed.
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Post by tabbyclaw on Jun 6, 2018 19:18:45 GMT
I'm still a bit surprised Erin Fairhands (?) was actually useful for something! Hey! Eren Fairhands is the BEST HEALER IN THE UNIVERSE Azu probably has a poster of him over her bed. They don't actually sell those; she drew it herself. The other priests try not to facepalm too obviously.
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Post by lego on Jun 6, 2018 19:19:02 GMT
I'm still a bit surprised Erin Fairhands (?) was actually useful for something! Hey! Eren Fairhands is the BEST HEALER IN THE UNIVERSE Azu probably has a poster of him over her bed. I love Azu so much! She just wants to help!
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Post by lego on Jun 6, 2018 19:20:08 GMT
Hey! Eren Fairhands is the BEST HEALER IN THE UNIVERSE Azu probably has a poster of him over her bed. They don't actually sell those; she drew it herself. The other priests try not to facepalm too obviously. I feel like the other priests have to do that a lot
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Post by julsbo on Jun 6, 2018 20:07:42 GMT
Well. That was terribly enjoyable, though also slightly nerve-wracking. At one point as things were really kicking off I found myself feeling mildly grateful that Zolf wasn’t still a party member. (Zolf’s moral righteousness would have made Grizzop’s look like a minor tantrum.)
Poor Hamid. Navigating a toxic family, bizarre curse and self-righteous companions isn’t going to be easy.
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Post by lego on Jun 6, 2018 21:02:58 GMT
Well. That was terribly enjoyable, though also slightly nerve-wracking. At one point as things were really kicking off I found myself feeling mildly grateful that Zolf wasn’t still a party member. (Zolf’s moral righteousness would have made Grizzop’s look like a minor tantrum.) Poor Hamid. Navigating a toxic family, bizarre curse and self-righteous companions isn’t going to be easy. You are so right about Zolf, that would be difficult. To be fair to the others, you say self-righteous, but they do think Saleh killed someone, and Hamid doesnt appear to want him punished. Also Grizzop and Azu have a divine calling to do good and be righteous
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Post by tabbyclaw on Jun 6, 2018 21:12:50 GMT
Oh wow Im relistening to the episode after Kew gardens and Hamids views are made very plain. He takes the bribe to allow their reputation to continue, and wants to give them a chance to make up for accidentally killing people. With the new insight from the most recent episodes this has taken a slightly more personal note Yeah, relistening with a friend has thus far involved a lot of hindsight wincing, most of it involving Hamid. Oh, he's my favorite because I like characters who suffer and make me suffer in turn. I did feel very sorry for Sasha when she thought that maybe Hamid had known about, and been working with Barrett this whole time. That girl deserves a break! Also, in her defence, at this point she is quite drunk, so can perhaps not be relied on to give the most constructive advice at this moment in time That was probably the worst part of everything for me, because Hamid is the only member of the group she originally signed on with who hasn't left her or betrayed her. She needs and deserves people she can trust, and all she's getting are reminders of why she shouldn't trust anyone. And of course this would come out while I'm trying to write fanfic about the two of them awkwardly bonding over being the last ones left...
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Post by lego on Jun 6, 2018 21:17:31 GMT
For me a lot of the hindsight is actually more what the players say, like Lydia talking about how having an undead character would be cool, but yeah this has added a lot of context to what Hamid says and does.
I just really want to give sasha a hug at this point, but shed probably try to stab me
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Post by lego on Jun 6, 2018 21:19:17 GMT
(please write fanfic, id love to read it tabbyclaw)
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Post by Brave Sir Robin on Jun 6, 2018 21:39:05 GMT
Well. That was terribly enjoyable, though also slightly nerve-wracking. At one point as things were really kicking off I found myself feeling mildly grateful that Zolf wasn’t still a party member. (Zolf’s moral righteousness would have made Grizzop’s look like a minor tantrum.) Poor Hamid. Navigating a toxic family, bizarre curse and self-righteous companions isn’t going to be easy. You are so right about Zolf, that would be difficult. To be fair to the others, you say self-righteous, but they do think Saleh killed someone, and Hamid doesnt appear to want him punished. Also Grizzop and Azu have a divine calling to do good and be righteous Zolf interacting with this situation would have been really interesting. Naturally there's a righteousness but I think Zolf's moral philosophy is quite different from Grizzop/Azu. I wouldn't characterise what Hamid wants as Saleh not to be punished at all. But obviously his primary direct motivation is protectiveness, and he's very naive about plenty of things. I don't know how much I should say here, because part of this relates very closely to my ideas about what Hamid's primary character flaw is, and the areas he might or might not grow in future. One of the great things about rp is how things don't always work out how we plan, and for rq i've been able to have so much of Hamid's plot and character burn slowly in the background so it's been amazing to see a lot of that finally come to fruition, three years after we started.
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Post by lego on Jun 6, 2018 21:55:17 GMT
You are so right about Zolf, that would be difficult. To be fair to the others, you say self-righteous, but they do think Saleh killed someone, and Hamid doesnt appear to want him punished. Also Grizzop and Azu have a divine calling to do good and be righteous Zolf interacting with this situation would have been really interesting. Naturally there's a righteousness but I think Zolf's moral philosophy is quite different from Grizzop/Azu. I wouldn't characterise what Hamid wants as Saleh not to be punished at all. But obviously his primary direct motivation is protectiveness, and he's very naive about plenty of things. I don't know how much I should say here, because part of this relates very closely to my ideas about what Hamid's primary character flaw is, and the areas he might or might not grow in future. One of the great things about rp is how things don't always work out how we plan, and for rq i've been able to have so much of Hamid's plot and character burn slowly in the background so it's been amazing to see a lot of that finally come to fruition, three years after we started. Zolfs philosophy is a lot more about taking responsibility. Given how uncomfortable he was with letting the guys at Kew get away with what is at most criminal negligence, I feel that he would have something to say about Saleh not getting sent to prison. Its not so much that Hamid doesn't want him punished, but he seems more focused on the idea of penance rather than punishment, (probably at least partly stemming from that being what he is doing), because he wants to protect his brother, but he doesnt seem to see that Saleh needs to actually be punished for what he did, and that it doesnt matter that someone is getting sent to prison if its not Saleh? I feel like the penance vs punishment debate is something that is already debated outside of a fictional podcast. I think Hamid's a really interesting character, and I love him so much! Can't wait to see what you do with him!
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Post by lego on Jun 6, 2018 21:56:10 GMT
also, how long ago did the incident with Saleh occur? has it been mentioned?
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Post by elbereth2502 on Jun 7, 2018 5:36:35 GMT
Okay, after listening to the episode I am having a fundamental philosophical disagreement with myself. I don't know whom I should agree with, tough I am still leaning more towards the view of Grizzop how to deal with People doinf something wrong. But maybe Saleh jr. is did not do anything like murdering a person. I am so confused right now and am anxious for next Wednesday to arrive.
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Post by Brave Sir Robin on Jun 7, 2018 10:34:25 GMT
For what it's worth I think that Hamid is in the wrong in this situation. It's a tough line to walk sometimes to play a character and do your best to represent them when you disagree with them. And I love Hamid and it's very hard to separate what I feel from what he does sometimes, so it's very easy for me to forget that he's in the wrong! Not to mention that he's even more protective of his family right now than he might be the rest of the time. Having said that as a bleeding heart lefty I naturally have a ton of concerns about the penal system (in both our world and the RQG world) so even then I think it can be quite a complex issue. And I think I said it best on twitter, just because Hamid is wrong it doesn't necessarily mean that the others are right.
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