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Post by dangerfield on Dec 1, 2016 10:53:56 GMT
As no one has said it yet... Link to MAG15: Lost Johns' Cave? Isn't there actually a bit of trickery with the title of that one? The episode is Lost John's Cave, but didn't the Q&A say that the real system is Lost Johns' Cave? My pet red string theory for that is the shift to the singular John is meant to be a link back to Mr Sims - I've been waiting for a reference back to it.
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Post by anthpath on Dec 1, 2016 12:41:08 GMT
I did indeed, complete with an armload of pins and bonus bouts of uncontrollable muttering about how "I've almost got it!" I keep trying to tie Robert Smirk down but he keeps dancing around the edges of the narrative and it's driving me nuts. This is the third(?) case his buildings have directly affected. I think we've heard him mentioned three times: once that Tim likes him (can't find the case number), once where he designed the passages beneath a building (MAG35), and once in this ep (MAG41) I feel like there's something with the way Millbank was described here: a panopticon where all the cells should have been visible (very open-eye sort of thing), but with corridors that twisted around so much that prisoners had to feel their way along (closed-eye darkness stuff). The stone that Smirke left in the passages in 'Old Passages' said 'Balance and fear'. I wonder if he was acting as some sort of tipping point between the dark/closed-eye lot and the light/open-eye lot? Most of the time the symbology is pretty clear, but I feel like Smirke is all over the place. Makes me wonder how a balanced approach to the various potential 'factions' (I don't know how else to classify them) changes things, or keeps things in check. I find Smirke's place in the story to be one of the most intriguing aspects of it so far!
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Post by cannonlongshot on Dec 1, 2016 13:07:22 GMT
Is episode 29 relavant to this statement? The wine bottle that Jonathan found had a 2003 vintage and former employee of the Magnus institute, Fiona Law, died that year after complications due to a liver transplant... did it belong to her? wikia was very helpful in finding this information ^v^ That's the spirit! If nothing else I was wondering what relevance the bottle had, but I'm pretty much sure that if it isn't some crazy clue it's at least a reference to Ms. Law! Also, spooniermist, pretty sure it's MAG26 - Sasha mentions it when discussing the everyday occurrences at the Archives after seeing Michael ^.^ I'm getting more and more certain that the last episode of MAG (what was the plan, about 200? MAG200 seems so unwieldy to type...) will just be another head archivist making a statement about his/her predecessor...
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Post by Samwise on Dec 1, 2016 13:44:37 GMT
Is episode 29 relavant to this statement? The wine bottle that Jonathan found had a 2003 vintage and former employee of the Magnus institute, Fiona Law, died that year after complications due to a liver transplant... did it belong to her? wikia was very helpful in finding this information ^v^ That's the spirit! If nothing else I was wondering what relevance the bottle had, but I'm pretty much sure that if it isn't some crazy clue it's at least a reference to Ms. Law! Also, spooniermist, pretty sure it's MAG26 - Sasha mentions it when discussing the everyday occurrences at the Archives after seeing Michael ^.^ I'm getting more and more certain that the last episode of MAG (what was the plan, about 200? MAG200 seems so unwieldy to type...) will just be another head archivist making a statement about his/her predecessor... Will that be your Third Theory in your signature?
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Post by cannonlongshot on Dec 1, 2016 15:43:01 GMT
Nowhere near enough evidence for me to stake my reputation on
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Post by samuraifoochs on Dec 1, 2016 20:11:23 GMT
I loved the episode, and our beloved Archivist's change in demeanor is well characterized, I just hope this doesn't make the entire show about the meta-plot. I for one LIKE "monster of the week" episodes far more than larger threads with extremely rare exception. This also holds true for other media, which is why shows like The X-Files lost me a bit in later seasons.
But maybe it's just me. =]
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Post by Alex Newall on Dec 1, 2016 22:32:18 GMT
Don't fret, the first episode of S2 is more of the exception than the rule. We have a bunch of great one offs on the way although, as always, they slot into existing canon.
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Post by spooniermist on Dec 1, 2016 23:21:33 GMT
I feel like there's something with the way Millbank was described here: a panopticon where all the cells should have been visible (very open-eye sort of thing), but with corridors that twisted around so much that prisoners had to feel their way along (closed-eye darkness stuff). The stone that Smirke left in the passages in 'Old Passages' said 'Balance and fear'. I wonder if he was acting as some sort of tipping point between the dark/closed-eye lot and the light/open-eye lot? Most of the time the symbology is pretty clear, but I feel like Smirke is all over the place. Makes me wonder how a balanced approach to the various potential 'factions' (I don't know how else to classify them) changes things, or keeps things in check. I find Smirke's place in the story to be one of the most intriguing aspects of it so far! I... Wow that is an amazing thought! I totally believe that could happen, what an abstract concept, good spot!
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Post by AshenCircle on Dec 1, 2016 23:27:58 GMT
I expected TMA to return in good form but this is even better than I anticipated. Starting out with a personal focus on Sims is terrific; it re-grounds and re-centres everything for the new season, but it's also great from a character development/drama perspective and audience character investment is often an important factor in horror.
Really can't enthuse enough about how good an addition the supplement is. The extra insight into the archivist's personal thoughts is very promising, and as a device this also theoretically allows the meta to continue uninterrupted by monster/week episodes. Can't wait to see where this goes.
Anyway, saving the red string for my second listen, just wanted to say what a great job everyone did with this.
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Post by archangel1313 on Dec 2, 2016 1:09:15 GMT
Interesting to see that Not -Sasha has deliberately marked the tunnels for our beloved narrator as well. I wonder what the Changelings connection to the tunnel is, or if this is just another instance of them pointing the archivists in the right (or indeed, wrong) direction
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Post by danae149 on Dec 2, 2016 6:16:45 GMT
Going down creepy stairways is never a good idea, Jonathan. Not even if a phantom chalk arrow tells you to! Or especially not if a phantom chalk arrow tells you to. Although I do wonder how this creepy stairwell ties in with the one in the Schwartzwald episode.
Great start to the season! I think it'll be interesting to see how much of a contrast we get between the main recordings and the extra bits the archivist will be recording on his own. I'm worried about his current state of mind, but I'm looking forward to seeing where things go from here. The fact that Martin seems to have become a voice of reason (relatively speaking, anyway) doesn't bode well...
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Post by Kate on Dec 5, 2016 18:58:55 GMT
Don't fret, the first episode of S2 is more of the exception than the rule. We have a bunch of great one offs on the way although, as always, they slot into existing canon. I was thinking- Ahhhhhh! (a sigh of satisfaction, not a scream) A honest-to-gods ghost story. Smashing! Hit the ground running with this one. The hunted house is not above ground, but below it. At least it gave him a sporting chance to leave, with a warning, instead of just game over, man, game over. So- an 'official' version and special you-only-hear-this-if-I'm-gone addenda? I wonder.... at what point does paranoia, based on what seems to be a perfectly sound mistrust of untrustworthy sorts, become full-blown psychosis? Interesting.... And very glad to have your dulcet tones back through the speakers, old man! Very glad all round the Archives are back. So pleased, I have cracked out this post, and allowed it to move my post number beyond the meaning of life, the universe and everything.
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Post by Sandstar on Dec 8, 2016 22:47:37 GMT
Well....As was explained, (as I recall) the recordings with old sasha's voice were missing after the assault on the Archives. But we heard them. If we're his successor, or if it's just the Archivist listening to them after the successful conclusion of the "case" (tho it seems to me that the Archivist is the kind of person who'd record a supplemental on the relevant files (which I know ruins the suspense as a series of fiction, but makes sense in world)), that means the tapes were found. You know, now that I think about it, it's very, very odd that the Archivist hasn't done a follow up about the missing tapes. Which I guess leads to the idea that he's dead. (I'm doing a stream of consciousness here, sorry). I guess, within the context of the universe, we're (the listener) supposed to be his successor who's listening to the tapes that he made. It makes me wonder if the Archivist dies after finding old Sasha's tapes, and gets killed while confronting new Sasha. That makes sense to me. Let's see where it goes. (as an aside, I wonder how far into the future the person listening to the tapes is. I mean september 2016 was after the show started, so that means that"we" had to have started listening to the tapes before September 2016). Sorry for the post. I hope it makes sense.
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Post by spooniermist on Jan 5, 2017 23:28:15 GMT
Gotta say I'm loving the dedication to reality in these podcasts, just finished the wiki page for this case (not a great idea to finish at midnight, but what can you do), and was reading up on Milbank Prison on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millbank_PrisonIt's a real place, and all the dates match up and even Robert Smirk is a real person. People actually got horribly ill because it was in a swamp and their diet was terrible and it was eventually torn down because it was haemorrhaging money. Really nice attention to detail.
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