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Post by Oneiros on Apr 13, 2017 8:21:32 GMT
As we hit the season mid-point, we take a step back this week to look at events of the reasonably recent past and cast a wary gaze on whether the act of observation can truly change the subject. Poor Rosa might be compelling evidence for this... Another apparently standalone story, though this is another statement-giver who comments on feeling watched even in the Archives. And now we know there are no cameras down there... But at least the police have exonerated the Institute's staff and maybe our poor Head Archivist can rest a little easier around his colleagues. And they him. Right? From a style perspective, I really like how the story and supplemental managed to mirror each other and we got the intervention that felt like it was brewing. And I can't help thinking of these lines from Alfred Lord Tennyson's poem, The Lady of Shalott: Or perhaps that's the poet in me trying to overreach  |
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Post by cannonlongshot on Apr 13, 2017 8:41:51 GMT
No way that this is a standalone statement - we just haven't seen the other pieces of it yet.
The worrying implication from this one is that the Magnus Archives clearly has a lot of enemies. I can see it now...
Putting that aside, the mention of Outer Cults seems like a nice collective noun for *deep breath* The People's Church of the Divine Host, Hither Green Descenders, the Keays, Lensik Sr., whoever left that picture of Gertrude in a clearing in Scotland and probably the Archivists themselves.
Interesting that John found nothing on the CCTV, especially considering our Not-friend. Does Not-Sasha look similar enough to Sasha that it's not noticeable? Has the image changed, like Graham's passport, or not, like that old newspaper clipping of him? Is John being blind as a metaphorical bat? Has he noticed, and is biding his time?
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Post by spooniermist on Apr 13, 2017 9:50:54 GMT
Maybe that tape was removed, along with all other tapes of Pre-Not-Sasha (or, as I like to call her, Sasha). It would be really cool if Jonathan realised that there were no tapes of Sasha.
Stepping out of the mythos, does Sean Smith voice Elias?
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Post by Oneiros on Apr 13, 2017 9:59:05 GMT
Stepping out of the mythos, does Sean Smith voice Elias? Elias is voiced by Ben Meredith (Zolf) |
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Post by archangel1313 on Apr 13, 2017 10:02:31 GMT
I think this is definitely linked to the People's Church of the Divine Host. The study of out of place cults is an obvious indicator, and the feeling of being watched is synonymous with them now. Perhaps the creature in the window wasn't large enough to block out the light, but was negating it entirely. Wish I could say something a bit more clever about reflection and refraction of light in mirrors but I'm not the clever Also further evidence that the church is rather old, strange eyes here and in the library of Alexandria |
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Post by spooniermist on Apr 13, 2017 11:02:02 GMT
Why is the sensation of being watched synonymous with The People's Church of the Divine Whatever*?
*Sorry, I'm super tired. Brain doesn't want to think today.
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Post by Akroates on Apr 13, 2017 11:19:00 GMT
Am I the only one who, on hearing that the note said "BEHIND YOU", thought that Ms Meyer could have avoided the affliction by writing, "Oh no it isn't!"
(Sorry, I'm a terrible person.)
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Post by cannonlongshot on Apr 13, 2017 12:18:55 GMT
Why is the sensation of being watched synonymous with The People's Church of the Divine Whatever*? *Sorry, I'm super tired. Brain doesn't want to think today. You sound like a revisionist when you conveniently forget about that obviously-evil Institute...  #MeyerDidNothingWrong |
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Post by archangel1313 on Apr 13, 2017 14:15:13 GMT
Why is the sensation of being watched synonymous with The People's Church of the Divine Whatever*? *Sorry, I'm super tired. Brain doesn't want to think today. Every time there mentioned, the person giving the statement mentions the feeling, Julia Montork mentions it hear and there, the video feed in MAG12 shows a staring eye (duelling cults aside), Mark Bilham claims to feel watched in the old church, Walter Heller repeats being watched in the various archives which may or may not have been destroyed by the cult, and of course it's symbol of a stylised eye |
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Post by iamjoe500 on Apr 13, 2017 16:59:12 GMT
I think this is definitely linked to the People's Church of the Divine Host. The study of out of place cults is an obvious indicator, and the feeling of being watched is synonymous with them now. Perhaps the creature in the window wasn't large enough to block out the light, but was negating it entirely. Wish I could say something a bit more clever about reflection and refraction of light in mirrors but I'm not the clever Also further evidence that the church is rather old, strange eyes here and in the library of Alexandria I'm not sure I'm ready to agree with you here, at least not with the evidence we have so far. The People's Church has a closed eye for their symbol, which I think is probably an important difference, especially since the church is so associated with total darkness. In contrast, the open eye symbiology of the Kaeys to me seems to offer some sort of protection against everything else. I got the sense the open eye in the camera was caused by Gerard fighting the Lightless Flame. It may be more likely that the feeling of being watched, this episode, the figure with the one lidless eye in Alexandria, the von Closen case in the Black Forest, and the Magnus Institute itself (motto: Listening. Watching. Waiting.) are linked together. Though I've yet to figure out what that means, really. Though given this episode and the funding by the Lucas family, I am leaning towards motives of the Magnus Institute being not entirely pure. But anyway, that's where my red strings are tangled right now. |
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Post by mai on Apr 13, 2017 17:10:14 GMT
I think this episode has to be linked to MAG003, with the girl who is strangely compelled to watch her neighbor, Graham, who then becomes not-Graham after a shadowy, gray creature sneaks into his window at night. Graham would stare at his hypnotic table for hours, and wrote in his journals "keep watching" over and over.
Kind of interesting that this episode was kind of the flip side of MAG003 - instead of an artifact making the owner/viewer compelled to keep watching, it made the owner/viewer feel like they are being watched...?
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Post by isengrim on Apr 13, 2017 17:28:42 GMT
I can't recall any specific case numbers (and an currently on break at work, so no time to look) but I recall the Archivist mentioning feeling like he was being watched a few times. Maybe the thing that was watching Rosa Meyer in this episode is the thing watching Mr. Simms. And possibly now the thing residing in the tunnels under the institute.
Also, we don't get too much detail on the comings and goings of the other employees on the cctv footage, but wouldn't it theoretically be possible for one of them to have snuck in through the tunnels and killed Gertrude without being caught on camera? I feel like any of the archivist's coworkers being conspicuously absent from the tape for long enough would have warranted a mention, though.
Maybe Gertrude did it to herself though? Maybe a connection to the individual in MAG43 (I think that's the one it was in. Can't verify currently though) who was still alive after blowing most of his head off? Probably reaching a bit with that one though.
The only other thought I had is maybe the thing in the mirror was trapped inside until she broke it. Just a spitball in the dark though.
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Post by archangel1313 on Apr 13, 2017 17:35:26 GMT
I think this is definitely linked to the People's Church of the Divine Host. The study of out of place cults is an obvious indicator, and the feeling of being watched is synonymous with them now. Perhaps the creature in the window wasn't large enough to block out the light, but was negating it entirely. Wish I could say something a bit more clever about reflection and refraction of light in mirrors but I'm not the clever Also further evidence that the church is rather old, strange eyes here and in the library of Alexandria I'm not sure I'm ready to agree with you here, at least not with the evidence we have so far. The People's Church has a closed eye for their symbol, which I think is probably an important difference, especially since the church is so associated with total darkness. In contrast, the open eye symbiology of the Kaeys to me seems to offer some sort of protection against everything else. I got the sense the open eye in the camera was caused by Gerard fighting the Lightless Flame. It may be more likely that the feeling of being watched, this episode, the figure with the one lidless eye in Alexandria, the von Closen case in the Black Forest, and the Magnus Institute itself (motto: Listening. Watching. Waiting.) are linked together. Though I've yet to figure out what that means, really. Though given this episode and the funding by the Lucas family, I am leaning towards motives of the Magnus Institute being not entirely pure. But anyway, that's where my red strings are tangled right now. Ive always interpreted Gerard's presence and connection with the cult to imply that there are 2 duelling cults, one associated with darkness and the lack of sight as you said called the divine host, but there is another cult with parallel aims and symbols. If it does exist it has yet to be named, just the lightless flame alluded to. Both have feelings of being watched mentioned, perhaps just to reference each other or to show the shadow of each other's influence in the own orbit. I used the divine host as that's the one we know the name of. I agree with what you say so I shall amend my statement: This episode is definitely linked to the storyline involving the cults. Being the divine host and its theorised polar opposite |
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Post by danae149 on Apr 13, 2017 18:54:58 GMT
No way that this is a standalone statement - we just haven't seen the other pieces of it yet. The worrying implication from this one is that the Magnus Archives clearly has a lot of enemies. I can see it now... Putting that aside, the mention of Outer Cults seems like a nice collective noun for *deep breath* The People's Church of the Divine Host, Hither Green Descenders, the Keays, Lensik Sr., whoever left that picture of Gertrude in a clearing in Scotland and probably the Archivists themselves. Interesting that John found nothing on the CCTV, especially considering our Not-friend. Does Not-Sasha look similar enough to Sasha that it's not noticeable? Has the image changed, like Graham's passport, or not, like that old newspaper clipping of him? Is John being blind as a metaphorical bat? Has he noticed, and is biding his time? The CCTV footage could be digital, which supernatural elements seem to have a lot easier time affecting, so it could be that it's either not noticeable that it's a different Sasha or the images could have been swapped somehow. That would explain why not!Sasha took the tapes with Sasha's voice (analog and not as easily manipulated or affected, also the reason they have to record all the legitimate statements that way) and at least didn't seem super concerned about the CCTV. Unless she did something behind the scenes that we aren't privy to yet. Or there could just be some sort of weird glamour involved so that you don't notice the difference unless you look at it a certain way or already know it's there--sort of similar to the way Sasha noticed something was off with Michael when she looked at him through the distorted pane of glass. Or Jon could just be blind as a bat. His paranoia certainly hasn't done him a lot of favors when it comes to focusing on the correct things vs spending way too much time creepily lurking in the bushes outside his co-workers' homes. |
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Post by archangel1313 on Apr 14, 2017 1:09:18 GMT
A late night idea has hit me. Been checking dates but it's admittedly a bit of a stab in the dark. Could the creature in the mirror be the monster that Robert Montork all too briefly put down?
Assuming it was released from the mirror in 1972, what was it doing till 1990 on the disappearance of his wife? I thought perhaps it was possessing Rosa Meyer? Though this makes little sense as miss Meyer died in 1993, and not from a long illness that could you imply that whatever it was broke free and caused ill health.
As I said, a red string shot in the dark (and hopefully not seen by anything with eyes).
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