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Post by Oneiros on Sept 1, 2016 9:22:39 GMT
Teeth... Why did it have to be teeth?! *shudder* I think Jonny's been talking overmuch to a certain mutual friend on Twitter  Anyway, good to hear from another statement giver in person - some really nice character work there and really helps set up for Mr Sims' disdain for supercilious academics. Lots of good, solid imagery in this episode with a dash of 'am I hallucinating these people' thrown in for good measure. As a former uni physiology student, this definitely brought back a few memories. This close to the season end, I'm now wondering if this is as one-off as it seems or if there are throwbacks, say to MAG 5 and the rubbish bag full of teeth... |
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Post by kea on Sept 1, 2016 9:46:13 GMT
I was very impressed with myself when I guessed that the names were all universal place holder names despite missing "John Doe." I found the scene with the hearts strangely funny. Terrifying and gross, but also funny. I have a very odd sense of humour, though.
I do hope it's a one-off - I like "monster of the week" episodes as much meta. Not sure about the connection to MAG5 - the unknown person's MO in that seemed to pretty much be a dump and leave situation.
Every time someone outside the Institute brings up our wriggly friends to Jonathan I can hear him silently screaming in his head, which is pretty impressive in a podcast.
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Post by spooniermist on Sept 1, 2016 9:50:43 GMT
Case is online: the-magnus-archives.wikia.com/wiki/MAG_34:_Anatomy_ClassI thought that about the teeth, but it doesn't really fit the same, as the teeth in MAG 5: Thrown Away, as they were all the same teeth, whereas the teeth in the apple were different. I had many thoughts about this one. Firstly, I'm assuming these things are not human and have never been human, and that they're trying to learn how to look human. Secondly, I don't think these are bone turners, like Jared Hopworth, because they made the hearts beat and wanted to know about anatomy. I have never wanted to use the word 'magic' within TMA because it always makes me think of faeries and things like that, but beating the heart like that didn't feel like a ghost thing, or a bone thing, or a malicious fog thing, or... like anything we've seen before. I've just thought, actually, what if bone turning is only a sub-category of general body turning? The ability to craft and shape body parts and organs and the bone turning we've seen is just a side part of it? Who knows. Thirdly, again I'm reminded of Michael from MAG 26: A Distortion, his aloof manner is similar to the students, and something about him looking strange in a reflection... although Lionel didn't mention anything odd about the reflection of the person that he saw in the reflection. Fourthly, this case is new, so I don't think this is someone that we've seen before. Like, one of these people can't grow up to be Mary Kaey, or something, unless they travel back in time.... no let's not get into that. Finally, I was thinking of people who they *might* be. I don't think they're any of the Kaeys, or Jurgen Lietner, or Sarah Baldwin, or Jane Prentiss or anyone else that's recurring. None of them seem to fit, I feel like these are something new. However, as it's so late in the season, I can't think that it would be a one off. Maybe this will link in another episode or something later on. Regardless, I really enjoyed this one. It was just suitably horrible, and unsettling! |
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Post by Oneiros on Sept 1, 2016 9:59:59 GMT
Every time someone outside the Institute brings up our wriggly friends to Jonathan I can hear him silently screaming in his head, which is pretty impressive in a podcast. Actually, I'm now wondering if that suggests that they've breached the door seals or he was just remarking about them being outside. And you've just reminded me that MAG 5 also had the engraved metal heart in the last bag of polystyrene. The other thing is that Kingsland Rd, Upton Park, and Lancaster Road, Leytonstone are in proximity to each other in east London. I wonder also if there's anything in the fact that his colleague says she saw him in a classroom on a day that he says he wasn't there, so some kind of illusion or doppelganger, maybe? But I agree with you in that 'Monster of the Week' are good thrown into the mix - it's just at this point the conspiracy theorists in us are thinking that nothing is *just* coincidental |
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Post by kea on Sept 1, 2016 10:25:34 GMT
Firstly, I'm assuming these things are not human and have never been human, and that they're trying to learn how to look human. Secondly, I don't think these are bone turners, like Jared Hopworth, because they made the hearts beat and wanted to know about anatomy. I have never wanted to use the word 'magic' within TMA because it always makes me think of faeries and things like that, but beating the heart like that didn't feel like a ghost thing, or a bone thing, or a malicious fog thing, or... like anything we've seen before. I had a good long response to this and then my internet ate it. Very annoying. Anyway. I don't think "magic" will ever be a thing in TMA, since I define magic as a united force that acts in a certain way according to certain rules. There's a certain internal logic to many iterations of magic, which there doesn't seem to be here. I think what the "supernatural" is in TMA is a collection of different forces which can never be fully understood, either because they are entirely incomprehensible to humans (Michael, maybe) or because there's only a snapshot of their interaction with 'normal' people, which leaves us to guess at their motives. Effective, since your mind writes half the details. Why do these things need to be internally human? They're certainly good enough to pass, if not for long periods of time and certainly not up close. Are they foreseeing an eventuality where they are examined internally? Is there some sort of completionist thing going on? They certainly lack the social skills at present to intergrate with any sort of large population...if that's their goal. If it is, and they decide they need to up their social skills, then the local toastmasters group is about to get extremely sinister. Or perhaps they're just indifferent. Someone told them it was what was on the inside that counted, and they took it literally. The best and scariest "monsters" always have the least comprehensible motives, I think. |
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Post by Jonny on Sept 1, 2016 11:21:32 GMT
Thirdly, again I'm reminded of Michael from MAG 26: A Distortion, his aloof manner is similar to the students, and something about him looking strange in a reflection... although Lionel didn't mention anything odd about the reflection of the person that he saw in the reflection. On the other hand, literally everything reminds you Michael  I wonder also if there's anything in the fact that his colleague says she saw him in a classroom on a day that he says he wasn't there, so some kind of illusion or doppelganger, maybe? Just to be clear, the colleague said she saw his class there and assumed he was there teaching them. No doppelganger rabbitholes from this episode! But I agree with you in that 'Monster of the Week' are good thrown into the mix - it's just at this point the conspiracy theorists in us are thinking that nothing is *just* coincidental Yeah... it's gonna be embarrassing when we reveal none of it's connected and the archivist was dead all along |
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Post by cannonlongshot on Sept 1, 2016 13:54:16 GMT
All the bones are in his hands. All the bones are in his hands. All the bones are in his hands. But seriously, I could have lived without listening to this just before going into theater this morning  I'm inclined to say one-off, for once. I thought MAG5, but the teeth are all different. I thought MAG17, but there was no sign of a book (though I expected one to be there when the good Dr. found the apple). I thought MAG26, but nothing in the reflection seemed out of place beyond the obvious. And you've just reminded me that MAG 5 also had the engraved metal heart in the last bag of polystyrene. The other thing is that Kingsland Rd, Upton Park, and Lancaster Road, Leytonstone are in proximity to each other in east London. Everything is in proximity in east London, they're like an hours walk away from each other You might as well include Canary Wharf where "Antonio Blake" started dreaming XD |
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Post by Kitsune on Sept 1, 2016 15:56:25 GMT
Agree with kea, that hearts scene was hilarious!
Besides the obvious links to the Boneturner, haven't there been a few archives referring to fingers as "too sharp" (aka, bones about to burst out)? Anything vaguely Slender-Man-like with too-long limbs gets me all goosey...
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Post by spooniermist on Sept 1, 2016 16:25:48 GMT
Agree with kea, that hearts scene was hilarious! Besides the obvious links to the Boneturner, haven't there been a few archives referring to fingers as "too sharp" (aka, bones about to burst out)? Anything vaguely Slender-Man-like with too-long limbs gets me all goosey... Well, it's funny you should mention that... BEHOLD MY RED PIN BOARD ON BONES IN TMA!I literally made this yesterday, so quite serendipitous! But, I don't think that there's any parallels here, personally. Still, this case will be added! |
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Post by Brave Sir Robin on Sept 1, 2016 16:29:01 GMT
Well, it's funny you should mention that... BEHOLD MY RED PIN BOARD ON BONES IN TMA!I literally made this yesterday, so quite serendipitous! But, I don't think that there's any parallels here, personally. Still, this case will be added! Shouldn't you be working. And/or playing magic with me? |
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Post by Kitsune on Sept 1, 2016 19:39:36 GMT
Agree with kea, that hearts scene was hilarious! Besides the obvious links to the Boneturner, haven't there been a few archives referring to fingers as "too sharp" (aka, bones about to burst out)? Anything vaguely Slender-Man-like with too-long limbs gets me all goosey... Well, it's funny you should mention that... BEHOLD MY RED PIN BOARD ON BONES IN TMA!I literally made this yesterday, so quite serendipitous! But, I don't think that there's any parallels here, personally. Still, this case will be added! I think it was the Michael reference I was thinking of! Good red-pin-boarding! |
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Post by kea on Sept 1, 2016 21:55:47 GMT
All the bones are in his hands. All the bones are in his hands. All the bones are in his hands. But seriously, I could have lived without listening to this just before going into theater this morning I'm inclined to say one-off, for once. I thought MAG5, but the teeth are all different. I thought MAG17, but there was no sign of a book (though I expected one to be there when the good Dr. found the apple). I thought MAG26, but nothing in the reflection seemed out of place beyond the obvious. And you've just reminded me that MAG 5 also had the engraved metal heart in the last bag of polystyrene. The other thing is that Kingsland Rd, Upton Park, and Lancaster Road, Leytonstone are in proximity to each other in east London. Everything is in proximity in east London, they're like an hours walk away from each other You might as well include Canary Wharf where "Antonio Blake" started dreaming XD I feel I might miss something in the references to geography. It's huge, old and has a population that's double that of my country |
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Post by Oneiros on Sept 1, 2016 22:36:15 GMT
And you've just reminded me that MAG 5 also had the engraved metal heart in the last bag of polystyrene. The other thing is that Kingsland Rd, Upton Park, and Lancaster Road, Leytonstone are in proximity to each other in east London. Everything is in proximity in east London, they're like an hours walk away from each other They're a bit nearer than that, it's all of 5km - probably closer to 15 mins drive (walkit says it's about a 48 min walk) :-) |
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Post by seelingkat on Sept 1, 2016 22:37:03 GMT
Or perhaps they're just indifferent. Someone told them it was what was on the inside that counted, and they took it literally. I would definitely agree with this, judging by the heart scene. I also think they were practicing dissection in the basement of the house. |
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Post by kea on Sept 2, 2016 2:42:50 GMT
Agree with kea, that hearts scene was hilarious! Besides the obvious links to the Boneturner, haven't there been a few archives referring to fingers as "too sharp" (aka, bones about to burst out)? Anything vaguely Slender-Man-like with too-long limbs gets me all goosey... Well, it's funny you should mention that... BEHOLD MY RED PIN BOARD ON BONES IN TMA!I literally made this yesterday, so quite serendipitous! But, I don't think that there's any parallels here, personally. Still, this case will be added! That's a great idea, thanks I see there's also a red pin board on hypnotic patterns and/or fractals. It makes it a lot easier to keep track of certain themes that may or may not tie into the meta.
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